750mm X4 Quad Build Log - A few tips on gaining higher efficiency

Hey people! :smiley:

So, I’m currently working on a 750mm X4 quadcopter scratch build. This drone is based entirely off my learnings from my previous 850mm build, pictured below:

I crashed it from about 40m (120ft) in the air so it’s in pieces now. (one of the motor mounts failed during a client mission :grimacing: plus that design of the arms was a disaster in itself, story for another day) And here’s the new design I’m working on:

I’ve posted some additional renders and the CAD file in case you may be interested:

So here are some of my learnings on building an efficient quadcopter:

  1. Be VERY keen on motor weight. Many times we focus on the weight of the frame without taking into account the motors we plan on using, yet they are the single heaviest components on a drone (not including the battery). In my case I was using the GARTT 4112 motors which weighed about 165g EACH, bringing the total motor weight to a whooping 660g. This greatly affected my runtimes as their efficiency in g/W wasn’t worth the extra weight. Try using flat form factor motors such as the Sunnysky efficiency series or even the Tarot Martin series (4006/4008) motors, they are efficient and relatively affordable.

  2. Forget the recommended thrust-to-quad AUW ratio being 2:1, treat this more like a minimum guideline. Try and go instead for much more ambitious values such as even 3:1 eg. 7500g thrust for 2500g AUW quad. This ensures the motors are running at their most efficient power level (30-50% throttle) which vastly reduces current draw and will make your drone fly much longer. It is the same thing DJI does with their drones, the Mavic for example has total thrust well over 2000g at only 734g AUW.

  3. Focus on pitch, mass and length of your propellers. Higher pitch propellers cut through the air more agressively so may be less efficient even while being lighter (1655 propeller vs 1650 propeller). Also, for the same pitch, lighter and often more expensive propellers will always give you higher efficiency and better balance than the cheaper variety, and can increase your runtimes by as much as 8%, so be sure to take that into account as well. Finally, get a frame that can accomodate large propellers (17 inch plus) so you can run lower kV with the same thrust output. This will give you marked gains in efficiency.

  4. Keep your frame as light and strong as possible, which will in turn ensure your flight characteristics are not affected by the rigidity of the frame. Also it will allow you to carry the heaviest batteries possible, which should normally weigh between 35-50% of the total AUW of the drone.

So those are just a few of my personal pointers, if you feel I may have left something out please feel free to leave it in a reply below.

I’ll keep you all posted on the build, this is where I’ve gotten thus far, still waiting for a few of the standoffs that hold the arms in place as well as the new motors (Tarot Martin 4008 330kV):


Thank you for sharing that info. That build is awesome looking. It looks so much better than the other one. The props on the current build look like they are more efficient without even flying it, as well as the over all structure. That’s some big motors. I hope this build meets your expectations and more. Please continue to update.

Hey people! So, a quick update. I finally finished building all the arms and wiring up all the components. Also, the motors are all here at last.

One thing I did not anticipate was just how strong the arm design I used would be. I was abit skeptical about the joint mechanism that connects to the body, but to my amazement, it is actually quite sturdy, with zero flex or bending!

All the carbon fiber pieces are cut from a 2.2mm sheet made using hand-layup of 7 layers of carbon cloth in a 45/90 degree configuration, giving the chassis strength in all directions. The AUW of the chassis (without battery and propellers) is 1740g, which is not bad for such a strong 750mm frame.

Here are some pictures below:

Next step is to install the 16 inch propellers and run some hover endurance tests with the 4000mAH 5S battery. The previous drone managed 12min 36sec so I’m definitely expecting more out of this quad. Stay tuned!

Very good read for a noob like me! What kind of stuff would you reccommend for a “heavy lift” F550 that I would like to go a pretty decent distance and have enough battery life to go for say 30 min or so? The cost isnt a huge concern but I dont really want to pay $200 a piece for motors or props

Thanks for the feedback! I haven’t really built a 550 size quad before, but based on my experience, you would be best off with a Sunnysky V series 3508 motor or T-motor equivalent (depending on budget) with a kV rating of about 380kV if you will run 6S, or 500-740kV if you will run 3S-4S. Pair this with some efficient 12-13 inch carbon fiber propellers (depending on what the model can accomodate) and you should be good to go. :ok_hand: